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Review of Invive using http://www.mts.net/~revive/index.html
web site.
Quotes from
the above site are in Bold Italics and
Comments made by myself are written in this font.
Congratulations! By reading this you
have displayed your wisdom with your interest in silver. Patronising.
I don't need to be "Congratulated" for stumbling across
your site and the wisdom will come after I have decided whether
the information you give is accurate or not.
Congratulations again- You have
now scrolled to the original 1938 broad spectrum Mild Silver Protein
Colloidal Silver formula. So you
use the original 1938 method to produce MSP, ignoring 70 years of
progress?
The best, most current, and
most impartial information on silver is at http://www.xpressnet.com/bhealthy.
***** How can it be impartial
when you have obviously written it yourselves? *****
Competitors and charlatans have been
giving our industry a bad name by: Producing and selling unstable
"ionic" colloidal silver called "Colloidal Silver".
Starting to get personal. The words "Pot"
& "Kettle" come to mind. True, a purely Ionic solution
is not Colloidal Silver but I wouldn't say it was unstable, as you
will see below.
Well known supplement Companies, multinational
health food stores, and backyard promoters with 20 p.p.m. to 300
p.p.m. ionic silver solutions are so crooked and deceitful that
they take the "Medical Journal data that only applies to our
INVIVE type of compounded Silver composed of ATOMS of
powerful silver formulation, and apply it to their ionic products.
Colloidal Silver also contains atoms of silver in the form of silver
particles. Its only the transport
mechanism that is different. To use the words "Crooked and
deceitful" shows to me that the author is showing growing desperation
to try and market their product. A good product stands on its own
two feet & doesn't need to be written in an emotive form, which
I find highly unprofessional.
IONIC SILVER WILL PRECIPITATE
OUT: Clumping and aggregation of the solution occurs in all ionic
solutions, resulting in an aggregation of the solution and precipitating
of the product. This means that all you have left at the top of
the bottle is water. Rubbish ! Actually
its the particulate silver that is the delicate component because
if the Zeta potential is lost, larger particles will be formed.
The ionic content is quite stable unless other anions (-ve ions)
are introduced such as chlorine, which is why we use distilled water.
This shows a dangerous level of ignorance of basic chemistry (GCSE
Level).
IONIC SILVER CONTAINS A TOXIC SOUP:
Ionic silver is toxic because silver oxides and impurities are formed
during the electrolysis process. It is a chemical soup
because of oxidation and uncontrolled reactions such as bridging
due to the electrical current applied and inter reaction with the
sides of the vessels.
This is a
scare tactic to discredit electrically isolated Colloidal Silver.
Silver oxide is insoluble in water and will precipitate to the bottom
of the reaction vessel. This is also true for silver chloride. Part
of our quality control procedure is maturation and during this period,
any silver salts produced, if at all, will precipitate out of solution
leaving pure Colloidal Silver.
The production
of silver oxide has no effect on the solution and its production
doesn't make silver ions toxic! I have no idea what bridging is
supposed to mean and most generators incorporate current limiting
to prevent uncontrolled reactions. We don't apply a current- we
apply a voltage and when the resistance of the solution starts to
decrease, we lower the Voltage to maintain the current. V=IR &
is called Ohm's law. You can't have a current without a voltage
because everything has resistance, unless you are near -273 C but
that's another story.
The above comment made by Invive is not only
incorrect, the opposite is true. If silver was toxic, we would not
use it for cutlery, utensils and for drinking out off & has
never been raised as a health issue. Churches use silver chalices
as the silver is antimicrobial and kills germs. Silver catheters
are now being used in hospitals as it prevents infections. The EU
recently issued a new regulation stating that lead is no longer
permitted in solder etc. Other metals are listed but not silver.
This is the RoHs directive
and this Directive bans the placing on the EU market of new electrical
and electronic equipment containing more than agreed levels of lead,
cadmium, mercury, hexavalent chromium, polybrominated biphenyl (PBB)
and polybrominated diphenyl ether (PBDE) flame retardants.
Lets see what Wikipedia has to say.
- "The malleability, non-toxicity and beauty
of silver...." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver
- "Silver chloride is ...one of the few
metal chlorides insoluble in water." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_chloride
- "Silver oxide is ..... poorly soluble
in water " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_oxide
IONIC SILVER LACKS AN ELECTRON:Ionic
silver lacks an electron and is therefore unstable and is incapable
of reacting in the body the same way as true Colloidal Silver: Wrong
again ! Anyone with a basic understanding of GCSE Chemistry will
remember that there are basically two types of chemical bonding.
Ionic and covalent. Remember the periodic table ? Using a very simplistic
viewpoint, the elements in the first 2-3 columns tend to react with
the last three column except for the last column itself. The last
column is the "Nobel Gases" such as Helium, Argon, Xenon
which are the only elements that are stable in their elemental state.
The rest of the elements tend to react with other elements to become
stable. Got that ?
All atoms
have a number of electrons in their outer orbit (Shells). They have
a great affinity to have their outer shell fully populated. With
metals, they have between 1 and three electrons in this shell and
readily lose them such that the previous orbit is fully populated
and stable. (We will ignore transition elements for simplicity).
Elements such as chlorine & bromine lack only one electron &
desperately want another and as such, metals such as silver will
happily give up its electron to a desperate chlorine atom and form
a stable ionic compound.
Sodium is
also a metal and combines with chlorine to make an ionic compound
called Sodium Chloride (NaCl) or common salt. You may remember at
school been shown metallic sodium being cut with a knife and put
into water where it buzzes around reacting quite violently. Chlorine
was used to gas our troops in world war I.
Sodium Chloride
is soluble and makes a solution called saline or if in enough quantity
it is referred to as "The Sea" or an Ocean. The "Oceans"
seem quite stable as far as the sodium ions are concerned and do
not tend to precipitate out leaving fresh water at the surface.
As you well know, NaCl is very stable and its difficult to get it
to do anything else! You only see it when the water has been evaporated
and it returns to its solid form.
The above comment by Invive suggests that all
compounds that lack an electron are unstable, so the next time you
have fish and chips, would you rather have some metallic sodium
with a whiff of chlorine or have its ionic compound with missing
electrons called table salt. The choice is yours.
I apologise for the sarcasm but this really does
make me quite irritated!
As the action of Silver in the body stated is
based on the incorrect premise that it is unstable, the opposite
may well be true for its effectiveness in the body. Just a theory.
INVIVE is now offered "Stabilized
and Enhanced". So its no longer the
"Original 1938 broad spectrum Mild Silver Protein Colloidal
Silver" if it has had to be stabilised and enhanced. Make your
mind up. What is the stabiliser & what is the enhancer?

Casein is the Protein used in MSP. See test report
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr28/cpr_28.html
where it states "Products made
with casein may cause allergic reactions in individuals who are
allergic to milk. The presence of casein can cause anaphylaxis,
a life threatening reaction, in susceptible individuals."
Wikipideia states
that "In a comprehensive 1989
nutrition study in China, known as The China Project, casein was
found to have a direct correlation with tumor growth; it was suggested
that casein may be a tumor promoter, though this is controversial."
The only mention of
Argyria is a page showing a possible cure. There are no warnings
or any information regarding this condition. Considering MSP is
renowned as a possible cause, their lack of warnings is a major
reason why I feel you should be cautious about this product.
Since the particles are usually
large (1000 nanometers as determined by SEM ), suspension would
not be possible without the stabilizer.
As the silver is chemically bonded
to the protein, the body has to break this bond before the silver
is available to help. Due to this and the large ineffective particle
size, much higher concentrations are required which is the probable
the causal link to Argyria. The ineffectiveness of the silver whilst
still bonded to the protein has been identified under testing when
bacteria were found in the samples !

If you look towards the bottom of
the home page of http://www.xpressnet.com/bhealthy/
you will come across the Global Health Information and Medical Research,
Inc. or "GHI/MRI". It is mentioned as a "Nonprofit"
organisation and seems as though it is a totally impartial independent
medical body. I haven't read the whole site because the first few
lines are enough to make a conclusion, in my opinion. It seems the
founder James Kimball has been jailed for his activities after being
infiltrated by the FBI or FDA agent.
The fact that they mention this
and use more emotive language totally discredits their medical standing
and this is more a venue for "Venting their anger" and
raising funds/help for the release of the above person.
Because of the style of writing
& grammatical mistakes (Not that my spelling & grammar are
good) I decided to look further because I suspect this "Institute"
is not as unbiased as I assumed it would or should be. Both the
domain registration details for Invive and the GHI/MHI are the same,
which could be a coincidence, but their site registration information
lacks any detail. Use the WHOIS service to see the detail if you
wish to look for yourselves.
They seem to have multiple identities
and multiple sites, all related. Why? We have one site but do have
an additional domain name of www.uk-cs.co.uk as its easier to remember
& spell. That's all. It all seems very "Cloak & Dagger"
to me.
A final point. As James Kimball
is in jail, it seems that the GHI/MRI is being run by Dr Ward Dean.
Unfortunately it seems he's also in jail on tax evasion charges!
See http://www.warddeanmd.com/.

My opinion is that these sites are
actually dangerous. The
fact that two of the main people associated with MSP seem to be
in jail is perhaps an indicator of the true nature of the product.
Whoever wrote these sites seems to have little self-control and
certainly didn't pass their basic chemistry GCSE or "High School"
equivalent.
I will make no further comment apart
from two extracts from Silvermedicine.org faq.html
& mild-silver-protein.html
which you can read in full if you wish.
Extracts from these two articles:-
"Mild
Silver Protein has been riddled with accusations of negligent and
even fraudulent advertising since its widespread use in the early
1900's. This practice has increased dramatically with the popularisation
of the internet."
"What is mild silver protein?
Mild silver protein is a silver
compound. It is called "protein" because the silver is
bonded with organic compounds ( proteins ). Mild Silver Protein,
or MSP, has been known to cause Argyria. Lab comparison we've seen
show that a quality electro-colloidal silver outperforms mild silver
proteins in vitro ( "in lab experiments " ) against bacteria
by a wide margin with only a fraction of the concentration of actual
silver.
After personally investigating a large
handful of marketing companies, our reluctant conclusion is that
most organizations who market MSP are unscrupulous, and purposefully
mislead their customers. We only found a few companies that demonstrate
any public responsibility whatsoever; indeed, these companies will
only sell their products to medical professionals. Multilevel marketing
is often used to perpetuate the ignorance, and we know of two cases
of Argyria that have resulted in the misuse of silver proteins.
We can only strongly recommend that one studies deeply before actually
using silver proteins in the body. When dealing with an unknown
silver substance, it is critical to know the actual amount of silver
in grams/micrograms in the product ( per dose ). "
"Occassionally we receive complaints
from those involved in multi-level marketing of MSP. In each case,
we offer a simple, cost-effective challenge: Show us, PPM for PPM,
that MSP is anywhere near as effective as quality isolated silver
products, and we will change our published information. Nobody has
ever met this challenge, because it is not possible to do so."
Again, I must say that I have not tried or tested
their product but I will be asking the CSQA to evaluate it. My comments
are limited to the information supplied on the web sites only.
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